Thoughts on Revenge of the Sith -- Long

[Mad78]

Kaja, When did Anakin get decapitated?

[Prine]

Wishful thinking maybe

[Mad78]

I watched Ep I yesterday. THE KID IS SO BLOODY ANOYING!!! I could bare Jar Jar but frankly that kid bothered me soooooooooooooooooo much.

[Trejiuvanat]

I watched Ep I yesterday. THE KID IS SO BLOODY ANOYING!!! I could bare Jar Jar but frankly that kid bothered me soooooooooooooooooo much.

 

Yipee!!

 

Are you here to free the slaves?

 

Are you an angel?

 

You are right, he's very annoying... But again ep I is filled with all sorts of annoying characters. The Obi-Waqn characterization in TPM was also annoying, as was Watto and essentially everyone on Tatooine, and on Naboo for that matter.

[Skynxnex]

I watched Ep I yesterday. THE KID IS SO BLOODY ANOYING!!! I could bare Jar Jar but frankly that kid bothered me soooooooooooooooooo much.

 

Yipee!!

 

Are you here to free the slaves?

 

Are you an angel?

 

You are right, he's very annoying... But again ep I is filled with all sorts of annoying characters. The Obi-Waqn characterization in TPM was also annoying, as was Watto and essentially everyone on Tatooine, and on Naboo for that matter.

 

So essentially everyone was annoying

[Mad78]

My love of Star Wars made that I could support the rest but ANAKIN! His little mousy voice just pounded my nerves... When they remake this one they should think about removing him

[kaja]

"Are you an angle?"

"No! I'm the Grim Reaper you stupid little brat!"

 

Kaja, When did Anakin get decapitated?

 

Well maybe Decapitated wasn't best word to use.

But near the end,

"You're on the lower ground, you can't win." -Obi-Wan

"You underestimate my power." -Anakin

"Don't try it!" -Obi-Wan

Anakin being the idiot he is jumped anyway, and as he was landing Obi-wan Cut off both his legs and his real arm.

Then he slid sown the slope near the lava, and lit of fire.

[Mad78]

You must have meant: got his ass kicked by Obi-Wan.

[SOCL]

I watched Ep I yesterday. THE KID IS SO BLOODY ANOYING!!! I could bare Jar Jar but frankly that kid bothered me soooooooooooooooooo much.

 

Yipee!!

 

Are you here to free the slaves?

 

Are you an angel?

 

You are right, he's very annoying... But again ep I is filled with all sorts of annoying characters. The Obi-Waqn characterization in TPM was also annoying, as was Watto and essentially everyone on Tatooine, and on Naboo for that matter.

 

So essentially everyone was annoying

No, more like TPM was annoying.

 

Hey, Trej, nice to see you again, bro.

 

I would have to agree about the special effects being a little much, though it wasn't actually as bad as I think everyone makes it out to be. What I truly disliked was the way the Battle of Coruscant felt as though I was merely watching the next episode of the animated series Clone Wars. That's not to say I dislike the series, I merely wish it hadn't felt so...well...silly. For instance, Grevious--who had been and was later one hell of a bad ass--seemed like a bumbling fool at the beginning. Further, Obi-Wan's line of "Wait, we're better than this; this isn't supposed to happen to us" (something along those lines) felt a little out of place for both Star Wars and Kenobi's character. Further, the out-of-nowhere mention of Qui-Gon Jinn was a little annoying, but then again, it's better than having Qui-Gon Jinn walk through the wall of the Taintive IV and go, "Hey, everybody! I figured out how to haunt the galaxy!" Lastly, Christensen (Anakin) and Portman's (Amidala) acting was, as usually, terrible. In fact, I believe the best scene for the both of them was the scene where Anakin is looking from the Jedi Temple to their apartment and Padme is looking vice versa...it was quite a gripping and sad scene (with perfect music as well), and, best of all, no dialogue for either of them.

 

Oh, and I was a little disappointed by how easily Grevious lost two hands to Kenobi (after, apparently, being able to defeat many Jedi--I am referring to his belt of lightsabers) and then got the shit shot out of his organs. Want to know what made it worse? Kenobi kills a bad-ass general with a BLASTER, and then says, "How uncivilized"!

[Mad78]

I too think that lightsaber battle between Grievous and Obi was way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way waytoo short. They could of made it soo fanatastic but they wasted it... Well pity

[Floros]

The best scene of the movie, for me, was the surgical operation on the wounded Anakin (the making of Darth Vader). I think they got that scene just right. It had that "tragic-drama" feeling, with the thunders and all, especially when the mask was finally lowered onto his face.

[Guest Admiral_Antilles]

My favorite scene no doubt is when Order 66 (why 66?) is issued. The dramatic music played, and the different scenes of the Jedi dying is just gold.

[SOCL]

The best scene of the movie, for me, was the surgical operation on the wounded Anakin (the making of Darth Vader). I think they got that scene just right. It had that "tragic-drama" feeling, with the thunders and all, especially when the mask was finally lowered onto his face.

Only one problem I have this scene and that is Vader's mask. If you watch the original trilogy, you'll notice that Vader's mask was not symmetrical (i.e. the two sides had a different look, depending on from which side you were looking). I doubt this was intentional, but it lasted throughout the original movies and more-or-less became a trademark of Vader--no symmetry means someone who is not totally one sided (i.e. not totally evil)...of course, it also means a bad part on the costume designers of the late 1970s, early 1980s. Regardless, for ROTS, they fixed it so it is symmetrical and, well, it just doesn't feel the same...it doesn't feel right. Watch ROTS then watch ANH and you'll get what I mean.

[kaja]

You must have meant: got his ass kicked by Obi-Wan.

 

Yeah, that's what I meant.

[Mad78]

SOCL, If you watch the DVD trilogie. On the bonus disc there is a preview documentary about Vader in Ep III. They talk about the mask in that and the way they found it wasn't symetrical.

[Skynxnex]

Yeah...plus I think at this point its just a small nitpick about Vader's mask. Does it help the story if its symmetrical or not...depends I guess. Lucas though back in the day wanted the mask to be symmetrical I am sure its just the technology for making it so wasnt around back then.

[Mad78]

Yeah, I guess that if you have such a tight budget as Lucas did the fact that the Mask wasn't exactly symetrical would have been the last of your troubles.

[Eko]

The main problem for me was simply the awful acting and poor script. Christensen's voice was the most irritating drawl i've ever heard, it actually grated on my ears to hear it. He is a member of that unfortunatly large class of actors who get major roles not fot heir acting talent but for being 'pretty'. Other luminaries in this catagory include Orlando Bloom, playing a rugged Blacksmith in that new movie 'Kingdom of Heavan (sp? - looks weird) for example. A blacksmith? Him? Anyway, this sort of actor detracts from what for me was the big success of the the movie: Ewan McGregor. He did manage to sound very like Alec Guiness and acted well throughout despite the poor and clumsy script. The CGI whilst nice did not make a good replacement for a story. As for the continuity errors, one of two could have been forgiven but the inexplicable R2D2 and the homing missiles really did it for me. A lot of things happened that really shouldn't have for example the sudden change of Anakin. Whilst I agree that we had seen some of this in Episode II with the massacre of the sand people. The sudden change from, you shouldn't kill him, he has to stand trial to a scene later murdering kids was a bit quick. I also though that certain scenes involving Anakin and Palpatin could have been done a lot better, the mention of the Sith lore should really have tipped off Anakin as he is supposed to be intelligent.

 

All in all i think Lucas blew what was a great chance to expand on the Star Wars story with the Prequels. I don't know what went wrong for him but in the end he has managed to produce 3 movies that are very sub-par and detract from the success of the original trilogy.

[SOCL]

SOCL, If you watch the DVD trilogie. On the bonus disc there is a preview documentary about Vader in Ep III. They talk about the mask in that and the way they found it wasn't symetrical.

I know about this, it's just...well...I think it added a subtle hint of something not so black-and-white to Vader...but maybe that's just me....

[Skynxnex]

I dont know about Christensen. I saw a few of his other movies and he acted well in them.

 

 

I honestly think that the reason why everyone complains about his acting and Portman's is that its because of Lucas. Back when the Original Trilogy was being done the actors would resist Lucas throwing in such corny dialog.

 

You have to understand, an actor can be the best in the world but it wont matter if the DIRECTOR tells them to do it a certain way. I have taken a few drama classes and I can tell you that the director is the one who calls most of the shots. He dictates where the cameras go, what sort of facial expressions he wants the actors to use, the tone of the scene etc. The fact is, Lucas only did what he wanted to do and didnt care about criticisms. We have to accept that, I know we can blame Hayden and Natalie for this but thats too easy. Keep in mind they arent the ones who wrote the story or created the dialog, Lucas did. Whatever it was they said, Lucas made them.

 

In the Originals, Lucas and Harrison Ford got into an argument about Han Solo. Harrison wanted Han to die in Empire or Return of the Jedi but Lucas didnt want that to happen. Harrison also didnt like Lucas' reply for when Leia told Han she loved him. Originally it was supposed to go:

 

"I love you"

-"I love you too", or something like that.

 

Instead Harrison Ford got the director to let him do his line on the spot, so now:

 

"I love you"

-"I know"

 

Which is way more in sync with Han's character. Lucas lets face it, he writes dialog that in a more fantastical world with fairies and butterflies and reindeer running around would be more appropriate. Like a kid's fairy-tale.

 

Star Wars though succeeds in so many ways because lets face it, it embraces aspects of fantasy and molds them in with the sci-fi. For the fantasy side we have the Force, on the sci-fi side we have ships with blasters and Death Stars etc. A classic good vs. evil. Which is why a lot of people love the originals so much. Thats also why he chose to do the latter part of the story and not do the prequels originally.

 

Anyway, I ranted long enough. I just wanted to point out that the director of the movie has a lot of say in how a scene is done. And Lucas cannot direct adult story movies very well. He does well for the kids, which is why I view the prequels as more kid movies. If you notice, after Empire Strikes Back we start seeing aspects of this kiddy cutey crap appearing like Ewoks and so on. This eventually continues into his prequels. In my opinion its due to him A) wanting to market Star Wars to a younger audience again b) get money from being able to sell toys.

 

Remember Lucas owns 100% of Star Wars. Whatever toy that gets sold, he gets money for in royalties and so on. Anyway, just remember that the director has a lot of power and say over what gets shown in a movie to us the audience.

[Mad78]

Just remember that in ESB its Irvin Kershner (the director) who asked Harrison to do it on the Spot. Irvin Kershner was the best director SW ever had from my point of view.

[Skynxnex]

Just remember that in ESB its Irvin Kershner (the director) who asked Harrison to do it on the Spot. Irvin Kershner was the best director SW ever had from my point of view.

 

Thats true, and notice that ESB is regarded as the best of the original movies.

[Eko]

A very fair point, I did indeed mention that poor script. I fully realise that an actor can only act with what he/she is given by the directot. But in my opinion Christensen did not manage to perform what should have been an interesting part. Even with the poor script to account for Anakin's bizzare behaviour there is still a distinct lack of emotion and feeling in his performance. One pet hate scence for me was the scene of Portman's death. It was very corny and the last line she had was a awful cliche. That I supose is down to the director but i'm not convinced of her performance in either movie.

 

Generally I suppose the main problem for me is the script, whether it is targeted at a younger audience of not I still find parts just plain awful.

 

As for the Ewoks, whether we can go as far as to be cynical with relating to mercahndise I don't dnow. I have heard two theories abou the Ewoks:

 

a) Lucas had intended to have Wookies fighting but had already introduced Chewbacca as a civilised and technilogically advanced character and the civilisation on the moon was supposed to be reletivley primative. Therefore he cut the Wookies in half and called them Ewoks.

 

b) Similarly he had planned to have a Kashyyyk scale battle in the first three at some point but had been unable to afford the production costs for the scene. Unwilling to let go of these furry characters he simply scaled both them and the action down.

 

 

On last Ewok and Wookie related point. If you say Wookie repeatedly eventually it starts to come out as Ee-wook and from there it is a short jump to Ewok...just something I heard. possibly even somewhere on here!

[Skynxnex]

I agree with most of your points.

 

 

I am just saying you can see in TPM the introduction of characters who really serve no purpose. Jar Jar most notable. He was obviously there for the kids. Most little kids I talked to said they liked him, though myself personally hated him. Worst character ever made I think.

[kaja]

I like Jar Jar, I don't see why almost Everybody Hates Jar Jar....

 

TSB wasn't one of my favorites, though the "Luke, I am you're father!" Scene Ranked as one of the Memerable moments in Movie history.