Krytos Posted March 8, 2006 Author Share Posted March 8, 2006 he Majestic on the other hand was meant to be the gaurdian of these carrier groups, or take the fight to the enemy. 20 ion cannons, 20 laser cannons, 30 heavy turbolasers (that apparently significantly outrange an ISDs guns) and 8 Assault Concussion Missiles make up it's impressive weaponary - and as mentioned before it's armour and shielding matches that of an ISDs. While most of the vessels in the New Class were designed for specific tasks, two ships, the Sacheen-class Escort Frigate and the Majestic-class Cruiser were intended as modern all-purpose capital combatants. It is true that the Majestic has more advanced systems and as heavy armor and shielding as Imperator Mark I Star Destroyers, but it is understood that in a one-on-one battle, the Imperator would likely win, as of the New Class vessels, it is clearly indicated that only the Nebula-class has a good chance of victory going one-on-one with an Imperator-class Star Destroyer. Most of what I wrote was a mixture of re-written content from sources, as well as my own inference. The Majestic's setup makes it an ideal all rounder, with varying range weapons and capabilities, speed and armour. My point of saying it would be used as a fleet gaurdian vessel was aimed more at the way the NR seemed to fight their battles with these vessels (again, from other sources I've read and what I recal of the BFC). That being with carrier(s) being the main vessels of the fleet, and those carriers being protected from enemy vessels and fighters by other ships like say the Majestic (a vessel that could detere an ISD from striking the Carreir group head on) while the fighters and bombers of the fleet attacked the enemy positions.This tactic failed in the BFC for a few reasons - the primary being to much focus on fighters and bombers being capable of taking out capitals, while being unsupported by friendly warships. Confusingly, the Majestic carries 5 fighters squadrons You are right that this is a very confusing statistic. There are two ways to reconcile this problem, of which you pointed out one, namely that the Majestic could simply be substantially more expensive to build and maintain than the Defender-class Assault Carrier. Given that five is a very odd (and very high) number of squadrons for a heavy cruiser with so much space already devoted to weaponry and shielding to be holding, some have taken a different approach, namely that the five squadron figure is probably incorrect and that the Majestic-class probably carries somewlere closer to three squadrons (one complete New Republic fighter wing). I tend to agree with you there, I'd originaly assumed that the MhC had a Republic Wings worth of fighters, and had planned on keeping it that way until I found a thread some where on theForce.net's boards regaurding the topic and that they came to the agreement of 5 fighter squadrons due to it being used several times in official RPG scenarioes. I for one havn't read or scene any of the scenories, so can't say if it was true - though, this argument was backed up by others so it seemed to be true. P.S. As a final note, don't take the illustrations in Cracken to be any kind of authority. The New Class vessels are supposed to be built off of common hulls to reduce production costs and to increase production efficiency, but the illustrations in Cracken of pairs of ships that should be built off of the same hull often look absolutely nothing alike, so what many have tended to do is to pick the more plausible of the two (as you have here with the Majestic and the Defender) and assume that both ships look more or less like that same model. I've already implemented this into my models for the New series, I've generally chosen the best looking image and used that for one of the two, and modified the other just so there's some visual difference).In regaurds to the DAC and EFC, I've used their corrisponding sister class ships and added a pair of "flight" towers (just so there's some fluff behind the alterations - as they're dedicated carriers, the addition of individual control/flight towers to coordinate the fighters in battle maeks sense and allows the ships to be desitinguised at close range) *** Just curious on what you know about the Defender Starfighter. I know a little regaurding it stats wise - though little background story, as well as how accuarate the stats are. For starters, the stats imply (though don't directly say) that it's a two seater fighter - one pilot, one gunner. Also, it sounds as if it would by an ideally cheap fighter to spread throughout the New Republic's space to gaurd planets and outposts, as it would be cheaper to produce and maintain then any other NR starfighter. I would imagine that in the NJO timeframe (Which I mention a lot, as it's one of the latest time peroids written about, and was also very popular) there'd be a large quantity of these fighters mixed in the TIE Interceptors and even X-Wings as planetry gaurdians or used for other short range tasks, while the E-Wings and XJ X-Wings go with capital vessels. This is in contrast to the Defender, to my understanding, being carried into battles by carriers with the itent of being a primary fighter along side the E-Wing. http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1778/reloadedbannerdu8.gifhttp://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1333/3dartistbanneranimationws1.gifhttp://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4026/rebellionbannerdi2.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsengumi Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Just curious on what you know about the Defender Starfighter. I know a little regaurding it stats wise - though little background story, as well as how accuarate the stats are. For starters, the stats imply (though don't directly say) that it's a two seater fighter - one pilot, one gunner. Also, it sounds as if it would by an ideally cheap fighter to spread throughout the New Republic's space to gaurd planets and outposts, as it would be cheaper to produce and maintain then any other NR starfighter. I do not have any of my sourcebooks or novels with me this year at university, as I stopped being an active Star Wars fan as the prequels were being released, but from what I remember from the various source materials, the New Republic Defender starfighter is a short-range territorial defense fighter. In other words, it lacks a hyperdrive and is only effective as either a planetary defense or a carrier-based fighter craft. You are correct that it is a two-seat fighter with one pilot and one optional gunner (in the Hand of Thrawn Dualogy, Mara Jade flies her Defender alone), though its weapons load-out is not very good (it has two or three forward-mounted laser cannons). Its hull and shields are also extremely poor as well, though it does have a decent turn rate (slightly better than an E-Wing but not as good as an A-Wing) though it isn't particularly fast (its speed is approximately at parity with the T-65 B X-Wing, which is more or less obsolete by the time of the Dualogy. All in all, when compared to most fighters used in the Defense Force in the era from Black Fleet Crisis on through the Hand of Thrawn dualogy (T-65 AC4 X-Wings, E-Wings, and perhaps A-9 Vigilance Interceptors), the Defender is a very poor fighter, but you hit the nail on the head when you suggested that it's perhaps cheaper to produce and maintain than any other fighter, as I recall it being listed as being less than 50,000 credits while most front-line fighters cost upwards of 150,000 credits. I do want to stress again that there is absolutely no evidence in any source other than Cracken's Threat Dossier (which, like I pointed out earlier), is rife with flaws, that the Defender starfighter had anything to do with the New Class modernization project. At the very least, the Fifth Fleet, the first of the fleets to be composed entirely of New Class capital ships, carried no Defender starfighters and instead carried only X-Wings (probably of the AC4 variant), E-Wings, and K-Wings. In short, despite what is written in CTD, I would urge against considering the Defender as a carrier-based fighter, at least for front-line fleets like the Fifth, as its specs make it seem more ideal for the planetary defense forces, particularly for outlying systems. Do not expect to be applauded when you do the right thing, and do not expect to be forgiven when you err, for even your enemies will respect commitment, and a consicence at peace is worth a thousand tainted victories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krytos Posted April 4, 2006 Author Share Posted April 4, 2006 Good news all. The old laptop has returned to where it came from, and will be sold off and make someone very happy. But for me, this means I get to steal . . . I mean borrow the new family/work laptop The good and the bad. The good: better laptop - newer, faster and not in need of a format. The bad: technicians have made it very annoying to do anything on it.Nevertheless, it only took me about 3 days until I installed 3ds on it (A big no no I was told by the true owner of the laptop ).And low nad behold, the first thing I opened up and worked on was my Majestic. Now, can you guess what I got working?Do you want a hint?I'll give you a clue . . . well, I don't actually think you need the clue So tomorrow, or tonight if I get a chance, I'll upload it!!! mmmm . . . . Majestic goodness http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1778/reloadedbannerdu8.gifhttp://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1333/3dartistbanneranimationws1.gifhttp://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4026/rebellionbannerdi2.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWR Staff - Executive Evaders99 Posted April 4, 2006 SWR Staff - Executive Share Posted April 4, 2006 Mmmm majestic goodnes... awesome work Evaders99http://swrebellion.com/images/banners/rebellionbanner02or6.gif Webmasterhttp://swrebellion.com/images/banners/swcicuserbar.png Administrator Fighting is terrible, but not as terrible as losing the will to fight.- SW:Rebellion Network - Evaders Squadron Coding -The cake is a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender_16 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Hey Krytos, can we get some profile pictures for your Majestic? I still think of your version of it as the best one made yet. I was hoping to use it in my ship scale chart. (With your permission of course.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krytos Posted May 8, 2007 Author Share Posted May 8, 2007 Thanks Def. I'll have to grab the model ... I think/hope it's on my desktop http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1778/reloadedbannerdu8.gifhttp://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1333/3dartistbanneranimationws1.gifhttp://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4026/rebellionbannerdi2.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krytos Posted May 9, 2007 Author Share Posted May 9, 2007 What do you know? I had it zipped on my laptop all along! Here's the render:http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1750/profilepw5.th.jpg If you want, send me your email via PM for the uncompressed PNG (which includes a transparency). http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1778/reloadedbannerdu8.gifhttp://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1333/3dartistbanneranimationws1.gifhttp://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4026/rebellionbannerdi2.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender_16 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Kick Ass This is fine Krytos. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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