Majestic class Heavy Cruiser 3D model

[Eko]

Krytos, you my friend are one talented modeller. Congrats, it looks great.

[AdmiralToguroAni]

Just curious, but when will this thing be ready to download? Of all the models in development right now, I think this one is my favorite =)

[Krytos]

Glad to hear I'm not the only one looking forward to seeing this model in game

 

Well, I'm working on donig two things with the model before I link it anywhere - first is put it in a RMD file, to make it easier to extract and the other is to secure somewhere to upload it. I've got some webspace, so I'll try uploading it there.

 

If you can't wait Toguro, PM me with you email address and I'll send you the model

[AdmiralToguroAni]

works fine. A bit smaller than I expected (about half the size of an ISD), but no bugs and the ship fires wonderfully. I replaced the bulward with this new one and the firing animation is just great. Two parallel lasers fire right from the nose, making it look really cool. Great job, Krytos

[Colonel_Olorin]

must be only on your system it's playing up mate

[Lord_La_forge]

Glad to hear I'm not the only one looking forward to seeing this model in game

 

Well, I'm working on donig two things with the model before I link it anywhere - first is put it in a RMD file, to make it easier to extract and the other is to secure somewhere to upload it. I've got some webspace, so I'll try uploading it there.

 

If you can't wait Toguro, PM me with you email address and I'll send you the model

 

Dude, that's one of the best models ever created for Rebellion so far, so keep up the work! This thing will reach atleast 2000 downloads if uploaded

[Krytos]

Well, I've hosted it - what next? I'm guessing I need to PM Evaders?

[the_mask]

Did you add the download on the models section, yet ?

[Krytos]

I just tried to upload it (through the download, add download function), though got this message: "_ERRORINVEMAIL"

[Evaders99]

And what exactly are you putting in for your email?

[Jahled]

Glad to hear I'm not the only one looking forward to seeing this model in game

 

Well, I'm working on donig two things with the model before I link it anywhere - first is put it in a RMD file, to make it easier to extract and the other is to secure somewhere to upload it. I've got some webspace, so I'll try uploading it there.

 

If you can't wait Toguro, PM me with you email address and I'll send you the model

 

Dude, that's one of the best models ever created for Rebellion so far, so keep up the work! This thing will reach atleast 2000 downloads if uploaded

 

Late as per normal, Ninja man has got me drooling; what, where, and when can London hope to glimpse whatever it is has been awed-upon?

[Krytos]

And what exactly are you putting in for your email?

 

Woops

Well, that fixed my little red waggon

[Krytos]

Wow, digging up an old thread - here's some news.

 

I've made the Defender class Assualt Carrier, which is based on the Majestic with some items released and two fighter towers added. Well, truth be told I made it a long while back though had simply forgotten to upload it. And now I'm having problems uploading it - so touch wood and I'll be able to up load it soon. Perhaps, I'll try my hand at fixing it up a little more before I upload it.

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/783/dac9xv.th.jpg

 

 

Now, to completely undermind that small event. I've always felt that the design of the Majestic, and my model, made it look weak. After all, it's meant to have the same armour and shielding as the ISD, yet looks like a an old, out of date cruiser that could get snapped in half if someone where to fart inside of it.

So, I've decided to remake the Majestic with a newer design based on the old one.

Some of the basic cosmetic differences are a smoother hull continuous hull, reminiscent of the DSD. A better bridge. A dual exit hangar. And two engine bays rather than the one.

 

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/8291/newmaj015hl.th.jpghttp://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2729/newmaj024ut.th.jpg

http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/2397/newmaj040qs.th.jpghttp://img476.imageshack.us/img476/5962/newmaj055bl.th.jpg

http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/1530/newmaj065vr.th.jpg

[AdmiralToguroAni]

I never did read too many of those New Republic-era novels, so when I saw the Majestic, I thought "hey that looks pretty weak. I'll replace the dreadnaught with it." You said that the Defender Assault Carrier is a meaner version of it? Is it much bigger? If so, I think I'll use it, since the DAS is an upgrade of the Majestic much like the Assault Frigate is an upgrade of the dreadnaught.

 

I know I'm screwing all SW continuity here, but my TC isnt Star Wars based anyway, so its okay.

[Krytos]

Unfortunately, the DAC is basically a stripped out version of a Majestic with an additional fighter squadron and basically little to no offensive weapons. It was meant to be one of the main fighter carrier for the Republic, so it's got better shielding than the Majestic, though only a handful of defensive lasers. That being said, it would be very cheap, and a replacement for the Escort Carrier in Rebellion.

 

A little history

 

The New Republic's navy was based around fighter's and their carriers. The carriers would stay away from the battle, while being escorted by small suport vessels as well as the occational larger warships, and allow the NR's superior fighters and bombers to attack the enemy. This strategy seemed to change after the Black Fleet incedent, where they decided it was best to merge that stategy with utilising larger warships to take the fight to the enemy at the same time (Such as the current Majestic, RSD, MC90 and fututre DSD).

A carrier group would probably consist of a variety of carriers, with something like the Defender taking point due to it's powerful shields, manouvrebility and speed (which appears to be why it's called an Assault Carrier as opposed to a normal carrier. Because, it definetely has nothing to do with it's weapons ).

It's name also implies, that it can be or was intended for assaulting planets, enemy formations etc., allowing it's increased shielding to take full effect. I could picture a few dropping out of hyperspace under a barrage of fire while deploying fighter squadrons to rip appart some Imperials. And as the Republic would generally take the defensive stance in a conflict, this gave them a carrier that had a mission role intended for counter-attacks or pre-emptive strikes.

But, in the end - it's still a carrier and has little need for offensive firepower when it's primary role is to house fighters. That's why it's armed with only 20 Laser Cannons (I personally also keep the 8 Assault Concussion missiles from the Majestic).

 

The Majestic on the other hand was meant to be the gaurdian of these carrier groups, or take the fight to the enemy. 20 ion cannons, 20 laser cannons, 30 heavy turbolasers (that apparently significantly outrange an ISDs guns) and 8 Assault Concussion Missiles make up it's impressive weaponary - and as mentioned before it's armour and shielding matches that of an ISDs. Confusingly, the Majestic carries 5 fighters squadrons, making it far better than a DAC - though more expensive to build and maintain. Not to mention that both warships take completely different roles.

 

Also something of note, though not of much point in Rebellion, is that the NR would load the carriers and larger warships with better fighters like E-Wings, A-Wing, X-Wings, B-Wings and K-Wings for attacking. The smaller escorting vessels, such as a Sacheen light cruiser, would carry highly manouvrable, close range Defender starfighters (What? A 3rd New Republic unit with the name defender! And all from the Cracken Threat Dossier, what great thinking ) and X-Wings that would stay with the fleet to help gaurd it.

Edited January 25, 2006 by Krytos

[Defender_16]

Oh! Um, wow! The newer (as yet) un-textured version looks I dunno, befiting it's namesake. It's Majestic looking!

 

I never commented on the older one because I figured anything I would say wouldn't be either polite or constructive. So I just didn't say anything.

 

But the new one is looking awesome!

 

(btw Krytos, MSN isn't letting me download the Models you e-mailed to me for some reason. I've been trying to get at them for about a week or more now. Stupid Microsoft. )

EDIT: It Finally let me download the models you sent me! Yay! I'm testing them out today.

Edited December 28, 2005 by Defender_16

[DarthTex]

I like the first model, and the second model even more. Both are great!

[Krytos]

Thanks all, I'm glad that my first model is still liked

Though, I have to agree with D16. I never found the Majestic to be that attractive let alone Majestic. So, I was hoping my new version made it look better. Though only thing that doesn't seem to flow as well anymore is the nose.

That being said, the old version has grown on me and I'm tempted to use it as something else . . . not sure what though

For now I'll just leave it alone and work on the newer version.

 

(btw Krytos, MSN isn't letting me download the Models you e-mailed to me for some reason. I've been trying to get at them for about a week or more now. Stupid Microsoft. )

EDIT: It Finally let me download the models you sent me! Yay! I'm testing them out today.

 

Weird Good to hear that it works now. I have a bad feeling that where I've been uploading my models isn't working anymore Two days in a row with no responce

[Krytos]

While I wait to see how people want their new textures (sunny side up or scrambled ), I'm working on the textures for the new Majestic. So far it's very white . . . and reminiscent of the DSD, which means I've got some consistancy going. Without any of my usual luck, I should be able to complete the textures soon. After making a few models and textures, I've figured out some ways to make them and then apply them - so, here's hoping this Majestic doesn't suffer the fate of the old. Taking a damn long time to complete!

 

Also, speaking of that curse . . . I just realised I hadn't uploaded the old DAC I made. Well, I'll rectifiy that now and put the old Majestic model to rest.

[Krytos]

Wow, my first tripple post (I don't think that's a good thing though ). Well, this is probably one of my fastest textures so far. Two days, and I've got the basics done for the Majestic and 90% of the DAC done. All that is needed for the Majestic is some coloured stripes here and there to "pretty" her up while she's cruising through space

And the DAC needs to have proper textures for the two new control towers.

 

Majestic completely textued - textures need revising:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7370/textured015dp.th.jpghttp://img84.imageshack.us/img84/271/textured026mj.th.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7451/textured033qq.th.jpghttp://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2720/textured040an.th.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9773/textured051gd.th.jpghttp://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6633/textured063pj.th.jpg

 

NOTES: I dropped lights into the hangar so they could be seen better. Rebellion is yet to make the bright blues (hangars and engines) I use stand out unfortunately

 

DAC 90% complete textures - textures need revising:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3098/dac012qe.th.jpghttp://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2903/dac025wq.th.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4528/dac038ya.th.jpghttp://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2118/dac048yp.th.jpg

 

 

NOTES: The differences between the two ships physically, is the addition of the two control towers and the removal of smal details like the underside and wing objects

[Mad78]

Very nice Work Kryt.

[Defender_16]

Let me say that the new one totally OWNS.

[Krytos]

A small update. Textures are done, are converted and are working in the game (with the usual annoyances of colour variations etc.). I'm currently trying my decerative blue theme with the Majestic, and I'm glad that the two large New Republic crests show up nicely

I'll be releasing it with the a simple red lining texture, and if the texture packs ever get going there'll be 3 more at least. The bue one, another red one and one without.

 

The downside is that there are two bugs with it still. One I can fix by deleting parts of the engine (z-buffer issue, there's a surprise ). The other, I've got no idea why its occuring - the camera centres off to the side of the ship. I've tried moving the ship prior to export and can get it where the camera centres, but the bounding box doesn't move and look rather stupid

I'll be worknig on it later today when I wake up a little more - me need cafeeeeeeeen

[Krytos]

Well, things aren't going so grand on the modelling front. Apart from the fact that I can't fix a bug with the model, for various reasons I wont have access to 3ds max or equivalent to work on it for some time - so there's going to be a ponderous wait on it I'm afraid

[shinsengumi]

Like many Star Wars fans, my favorite set of Expanded Universe novels is the original Thrawn Trilogy, but the Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy sits at a close second because of two things: the comparatively detailed look at the mature New Republic administrative organization and the New Class military modernization program. For that reason, I really like Cracken's Threat Dossier, because the section on the Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy focuses on the two aspects of the novels I enjoyed the most.

 

However, Cracken's Threat Dossier contains many significant inconsistencies with the source material that it is based on, and so approximately five years ago I began writing a revised and corrected Black Fleet Crisis chapter taking into consideration the notes I had taken during close readings of the text, unpublished supplementary information that Michael P. Kube McDowell (the author) wrote, and references to the New Class in other expanded universe novels. I finished most of the revisions, but then after graduating from high school and getting into university work stalled, but after seeing how far this mod project has gotten, I may very well dig up my old notes and finish my corrections.

 

Anyhow, for the sake of accuracy, I just want to address some of the points and misconceptions made earlier in this thread, so here goes!

 

works fine. A bit smaller than I expected (about half the size of an ISD)

The Majestic-class Heavy Cruiser is less than half the size of an Imperator-class Star Destroyer. Cracken's Threat Dossier estimates the length at 700 meters, a length that is consistent with the general descriptions given in the Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy.

 

fututre DSD

Contrary to popular belief, the Defender-class Star Destroyer does not exist. The source trilogy and the author's notes clearly indicate that the New Class Star Destroyer is designated the Nebula-class, after the first vessel of the class. This originally arose from a misunderstanding on the part of a West End Games writer, who then, thinking that there were three New Republic starships given the "Defender" designation (a starfighter, an assault carrier, and the unintentionally misnamed star destroyer), then made up a rationale for the naming scheme.

 

Note that absolutely no mention is ever made of the Defender starfighter in the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy. In the Hand of Thrawn dualogy, the only source I can think of where both the New Class starships and Defender starfighters both appear, there two are mentioned in entirely different contexts (Mara Jade flies a Defender starfighter to investigate the Hand of Thrawn, while Endurance-class Fleet Carriers are mentioned as being part of the Diamala fleet over Bothawui).

 

he Majestic on the other hand was meant to be the gaurdian of these carrier groups, or take the fight to the enemy. 20 ion cannons, 20 laser cannons, 30 heavy turbolasers (that apparently significantly outrange an ISDs guns) and 8 Assault Concussion Missiles make up it's impressive weaponary - and as mentioned before it's armour and shielding matches that of an ISDs.

While most of the vessels in the New Class were designed for specific tasks, two ships, the Sacheen-class Escort Frigate and the Majestic-class Cruiser were intended as modern all-purpose capital combatants. It is true that the Majestic has more advanced systems and as heavy armor and shielding as Imperator Mark I Star Destroyers, but it is understood that in a one-on-one battle, the Imperator would likely win, as of the New Class vessels, it is clearly indicated that only the Nebula-class has a good chance of victory going one-on-one with an Imperator-class Star Destroyer.

 

Confusingly, the Majestic carries 5 fighters squadrons

You are right that this is a very confusing statistic. There are two ways to reconcile this problem, of which you pointed out one, namely that the Majestic could simply be substantially more expensive to build and maintain than the Defender-class Assault Carrier.

 

Given that five is a very odd (and very high) number of squadrons for a heavy cruiser with so much space already devoted to weaponry and shielding to be holding, some have taken a different approach, namely that the five squadron figure is probably incorrect and that the Majestic-class probably carries somewlere closer to three squadrons (one complete New Republic fighter wing).

 

Personally, I find the latter to be more compelling, but as there has never been any further clarification in more official sources, which of the two explanations to accept is an entirely personal choice.

 

That's all for now, I guess. Let me know if you have any questions or if you would like me to elaborate on any further aspects of the New Class vesssels.

 

P.S. As a final note, don't take the illustrations in Cracken to be any kind of authority. The New Class vessels are supposed to be built off of common hulls to reduce production costs and to increase production efficiency, but the illustrations in Cracken of pairs of ships that should be built off of the same hull often look absolutely nothing alike, so what many have tended to do is to pick the more plausible of the two (as you have here with the Majestic and the Defender) and assume that both ships look more or less like that same model.