For anybody willing to commit himself to help us make SWRII

[Mad78]

I decided to create this thread after a suggestion from Gleem. The point of this thread is to imagine concepts and perhaps eventually develop a kind of product. As example, I concider myself as a not too bad writer, but I know that this site is full of potential. All the people we need to develop a kind of sequel to Rebellion can be found here.

But first we must find the concepts. I thought that we could look like Rebellion with better graphics and tactical interface(which makes strategies easier to put together) and of course a better AI. And of course many different races. But now I invite everybody to post their ideas here.

Thanks

Edited June 1, 2004 by Mad78

[AdmiralFishface]

Most important thing is: Who here knows anything about programming, or knows anyone who knows anything about it and who is willing to help or knows someone who knows someone... you get the idea.

 

I can contribute some graphics (special effects and character pics my specialty!) and some writing, but that's it.

[Mad78]

You are right I think Jahled an Mask may be capable of making the 3d Models but the problem would be to make the game's engine. It's going to be hard but we can do it. What I thin kwe could do is do it by spaeciality. Like Admiral FF could do the cards with lord la forge SM and I could work on the particularities of the races (I think 6 races should be sufficient) and so on but first we must finish getting the ideas of what we are going to put in the game.

[AdmiralFishface]

I do actually think 2 playable sides are enough. Of course, playing the Chiss, Hapans, Ssi-Ruuk or Vong would be fun, but having them as non-playable would be sufficient; the more playable races, the more complicated it gets.

The problem with Reb now is that Imps and Rebs are too balanced. we need to have different gameplay for either side, and a good AI that behaves as the actual faction would.

 

Remember, more is not necessarily better. Better have less features but make them really good.

[Mad78]

I think it would be fun to play the different races but maybe we should limit that to multiplayer. And I think each race should have it's particularity.

Example:

-The Ssi-Ruuk would have very expensive ships that can carry an enormous amount of very cheap fighters.

-The Vong would have to convert planets to make only one kind of ressource.

I also thought that we could make that when squadrons survive battles they win experience which means that they are a bit stronger than before and so on.

[ADarkJedi44]

Experiance would be a great idea for sure. Many playable races would be nice, but if you could get two good playable sides it would be fine. It should probably consist of perhaps two diffrent time zones to play in (Imperial remnant and Vong invasion?)and there should probably be some fleets and shipyards the player starts with rather than building everything by yourself.

[Trejiuvanat]

Take a look in the Rebellion II Forums there are abundant ideas you can sort and read and discuss endlessly. There have been some other attempts to create some program that could be easily modded back into SW. There was IIRC one opensource project that you guys might be interested in.

 

Talk with Mask about Models.

[Mad78]

How many races do you think we should have?

[ADarkJedi44]

Well the Imperials and the Rebels/New Republic. The could be player controlled if we add a second scenario. Random attacks by Yevetha, Ssi-Rukk etc. would be intresting.

[AdmiralFishface]

My thoughts exactly.

[Cain]

Isn't this called Rebellion Reloaded ?!

[Mad78]

And we could also add hidden things like the Katana fleet or Wayland (We could say that it give's you imediatly 3 researchs)

[ADarkJedi44]

That would be awsome!

[AdmiralFishface]

Okay, but let's not turn this into a "Rebellion 2 Ideas" topic. We have a "Rebellion 2 Ideas" forum.

This is about actually creating the game and collecting people who are willing to contribute their talents to the project.

I told you what I can do... in a few months I might be able to give you models, if I find a program I can work with... Still, no programmers here.

[Trejiuvanat]

Isn't this called Rebellion Reloaded ?!

 

You know it's not. Reloaded is a mod for the original game, and Rebellion II is that which our dreams are made of.

 

Again guys, there are some neat ideas for a Reb II in the Reb II Forum.

[Mad78]

I am going to start making a list of characters of each side (Rebel and Imperial) but first I must know when shall it happen same as now or later I thought before so that we can have Tarkin for the Empire

[AdmiralFishface]

Why not start at the very beginning of the Rebellion or before Yavin when Mothma took the leadership and make characters available at different times during the game (Luke and Han: available from 1 before Yavin, wedge a little before, Corran some years later, Mara even later, etc.)

and make the appearance of Luke, Han, Leia and Chewie before Yavin a scripted event?

[Mad78]

That is a good idea. We say that some characters should be avaible only from a certain moment in time. Or simply take recruiting missions out all together. Tell me what you think.

[Gleem]

Doesn't that make the game too static and pre-arranged? I have played the cardgame by decipher too and it's kind of annoying that you can 'deploy Commander Luke only on Hoth". Also you might have to considder that it might make the game a little predictable if you knew that Luke starts out on say Tatooine and if you knew he was going to be 'the chosen one'. Maybe it would be fun if different characters could become 'the chosen one'?

 

I used to love playing a game called Covert Action because evertime you played it it rearranged the characters and their role a little bit. Maybe you could keep certain things constant, like senator palpatine plotting his coupe and leaving other things more open, allowing the characters to develop more during the game, rather then sticking too much to the storyline of the movie. Let Page be Vaders son for a change and Leia his sister or let Leia be the hero from the original trilogy. What if she had discovered her talent before? Would she have been trained and maybe faced Vader herself? What if Anakin hadn't been turned to the dark side?

 

One of the most interesting aspects about Rebellion is probably the characters, their actions, and how they are developed during the game. Why not leave more freedom and more possibilities for the player to do that?

[AdmiralFishface]

Not a bad thought, but I'd say let the player decide. Give him the option if he wants to play on a 'SW Galaxy' where planet locations and starting characters are fixed, or a random galaxy where anything could happen.

 

Also I said that characters should have a fixed time FROM when they are available, I said nothing about a specific place or an exact time when they appear.

 

To add some randomness some characters should be available for both sides and simply 'decide' to join you based on your Gameplay (or, which is easier to make, random variables). Recruiting missions could be made less important or completely replaced by this.

 

I'm doing it again; Mind if we all change to the Rebellion 2 Forum for this?

Edited June 1, 2004 by AdmiralFishface

[Gleem]

Why? As long as we are being constructive right here and actually discussing MAKING the game. I really like the idea. I might even not go to college next year and join this project instead. If we can find a couple of more people 'crazy enough' to jump in we might actually get something going.

 

Maybe you should change the title of the thread to like:

 

"Who is willing to committ himself to making our own version of rebellion II, and how do you think you can contribute?"

 

I think the fact 'that we can do it' is pretty obvious.

[AdmiralFishface]

Okay, killed the other thread.

Where were we?

[Mad78]

Thanks for your commitement Gleem. I am going to start making a list of characters and ships that could be in the game. I also thought that we could make many ships disponible for both sides and we could add the capture option on the tactical interface.

[Gleem]

How about a way to design ships to your own specifications?

 

We could let the characters with 'shipdesign-ability' offer discounts for the cost/time of the design. In fact, why not just give characters a skill in science and allow them to be committ that science value to whatever project the player finds more important, right now.

 

We could include also include research facilities and allow infiltrators to steal techs or the designs your have come up with.

[Gleem]

I am going to start making a list of characters of each side (Rebel and Imperial) but first I must know when shall it happen same as now or later I thought before so that we can have Tarkin for the Empire

 

You might want to try the cardlists of Deciphers cardgame, as a good place to start. Just go to their site, do a word-find and look under character. Every card comes with a biography, picture and gives an idea of what they are good at according to official star wars lore.